о цене

[juan_gandhi]

Приехали; население жж начинает обсуждать вопрос ценности жизней других людей. О ценности собственной жизни не задумываются, это выходит за пределы их дискурса.

Тьфу.

http://shkrobius.livejournal.com/536022.html и там по линкам.

Вот такая культура.

Comments

[dennisgorelik]

Пока что никакого противоречия:
Поскольку твои услуги по организации митапа потребляют, то ты, в частности, объект потребления.
"Субъект" - частный случай "объекта", верно?

[juan-gandhi.livejournal.com]

Нет. Они живут в разных мирах.

[dennisgorelik]

Ты пользуешься своим уникальным словарём, несовместимым с общепринятым русским языком.

При этом в качестве объекта может выступать и сам субъект.

[juan-gandhi.livejournal.com]

Русскоязычная википедия, в части, не касающейся технических предметов - область, где идиоты упражняются в болтовне. Не обращай внимания.
Субъект не является объектом, и объект не является субъектом.

"Object" definition

[dennisgorelik]

... sigh.

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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/object
1. A thing that has physical existence.
...
4. A person or thing toward which an emotion is directed.
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So now these Brits are wrong too and you are the only person who knows (but will not share that knowledge with anybody) the only true meaning of the word "object"?

Re: "Object" definition

[juan-gandhi.livejournal.com]

In this case 'object' is a part of sentence structure. The person is not an object, it plays the role of an object. Big difference there.

Re: "Object" definition

[dennisgorelik]

So if in wiktionary case person plays the role of an object then why software developer cannot play a role of a resource at work?

Re: "Object" definition

[juan-gandhi.livejournal.com]

This is a different story. Yes. 'plays the role' is different from 'is'. It's more like 'has'.

Re: "Object" definition

[dennisgorelik]

Let me clarify:
do you agree that software developer plays "resource" role (among other roles)?

Re: "Object" definition

[juan-gandhi.livejournal.com]

I will definitely agree with this.

Re: "Object" definition

[dennisgorelik]

1) So if software developer plays "resource" role - can the consumers of the output, produced by software developer think about software developers as a "person who plays a resource for my needs"?

2) If consumers abbreviate that thought down to "resource for my needs" - is such abbreviation too offensive for your taste?

Re: "Object" definition

[juan-gandhi.livejournal.com]

"person who plays a resource for my needs" - man, are you a Java programmer or something? That's way beyond my ability to handle crappy names.

Re: "Object" definition

[dennisgorelik]

It was you who suggested using "plays the role [of a resource]" instead of much simpler "is a resource".

Step 1: Get offended of being called "a resource".
Step 2: Suggest using "plays a role of a resource".
Step 3: Complain that "plays a role of a resource" is a crappy name.

Re: "Object" definition

[juan-gandhi.livejournal.com]

Oh come on. Not exactly so. But are you really interested in continuing this discussion?

Re: "Object" definition

[dennisgorelik]

The discussion does not go well, but the topic itself is interesting: why you do not like when managers call software developers "resources"?

I want to be a good resource for my customers.