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Такой кайф прийти обратно в класс, заняться любимым языком...

Проходили "возможно, что" и оценки эмоционального состояния третьих лиц.

Но дело не в этом. Офигеваю я от аналогий. Сэджь асыв - свежее утро - судзущий аса. Два языка, японский и коми, иногда удивляют меня своими параллелями. Причем в венгерском или там в финском ничего такого нет. Это в коми что, влияние каких-то соседних, ханты-мансийского, ненецкого? Каковые. что, родственники японскому?

Date: 2007-05-10 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piterburg.livejournal.com
Well, there is a Nostratic hypothesis (that I happen to think is true). Both Komi and Japanese are Nostratic languages after all.

Date: 2007-05-10 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivan-gandhi.livejournal.com
Насчет коми я в курсе, но и японский тоже? Не знал. Круто. А инуктикут что?

Date: 2007-05-10 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piterburg.livejournal.com
Well, there are actually several versions of Nostratic uberfamily, but Japanese and Korean are usually end up included in it.

So are Paleoasitic languages (of which inuktikut is a part, if I remember correctly).

Date: 2007-05-10 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamsink.livejournal.com
Это не совсем правда. Японский язык оказывается ностратическим, только если верна гипотеза об алтайском происхождении, но она пока не доказана.

Date: 2007-05-11 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piterburg.livejournal.com
Алтайское происхождение необязательно - существует много ностратических версий. Такой авторитет как Джозеф Гринберг например относит японский к евроазиатским (хотя и не к алтайским) языкам.

Date: 2007-05-11 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piterburg.livejournal.com
I do not consider myself versed enough in this subject to form an expert opinion. However, Joseph Greenberg is considered to be one of the great linguists of the last century, the one who classified African and Amerindian languages - most of his critics plainly do not measure up to him.

Besides, Nostratic/Euroasiatic theories have an aesthetic appeal, which means they are more likely to be true.

Date: 2007-05-11 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamsink.livejournal.com
most of his critics plainly do not measure up to him

That could as well be, or he just does not come across as very convincing.

And Ethnologue is not convinced either.

Date: 2007-05-11 02:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piterburg.livejournal.com
Honestly, I am not here to start an argument on the subject I am not an expert in.

And if I were an expert, I would not get into an argument either - by obvious reason.

Date: 2007-05-11 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamsink.livejournal.com
Besides, Nostratic/Euroasiatic theories have an aesthetic appeal, which means they are more likely to be true.

Fallacious.

Date: 2007-05-11 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piterburg.livejournal.com
Many accomplished scientists do not consider this kind of reasoning to be fallacious. Steven Weinberg, for example..

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